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give us a brief rundown of what

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conspiracy means to you and what role it

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plays in your work well in the role of

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place in my work again is what I see

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primarily as a function of sympathetic

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magic now this this this process is the

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process in which symbolism and and memes

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are and icons are manipulated

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intentionally in order to achieve it as

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a result and I think you know a phrase

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that Gordon and I use a lot Gordon white

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of um of ruin stupid use a lot is

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getting their attention so in other

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words I think where a lot of people tend

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to look at this symbolism that they see

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in media as purely a function of

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conspiracy that it's it's all you know

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they're all being sort of entrained in

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in a sort of MKULTRA Niomi

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you know chatter blue bird whatever

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program you choose that it's all a

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function of some sort of program and I

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think in in there is a tremendous amount

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of entrainment going on on it and that's

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something that I've been trying very

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hard to detail because I think that we

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stink what I call emerging archetypal

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dominance and and that is that new

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symbols are being fed people are still

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looking for like these sort of 15th

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century Rosicrucian Masonic Templar I

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mean almost sort of symbolism being fed

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into the culture and I think what that

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material was and what its function was

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and why we saw so much wood in rap and

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music video and in high fashion is that

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that was part of the entrainment process

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I said it's basically getting people to

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respond to symbolism in a way that they

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hadn't consciously so it's making what

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had been subconscious and unconscious

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conscious because I think that there is

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an effort to change mass consciousness

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in a way that I don't believe this world

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is of a scene and I think that

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you know I don't think this is

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speculation or conspiracy theory per se

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I mean you know their paper is published

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on this through academic journals and

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you know psychology and science journals

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and and you know we're really seeing

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because of this unprecedented extent of

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data that we're forced at the process